In Hard Times, In All Times, Eat Sacred Words

“You do not have to be good.
You do not have to walk on your knees
For a hundred miles through the desert, repenting.
You only have to let the soft animal of your body
love what it loves.”

— ‘Wild Geeseby Mary Oliver

Listen to Carmen’s first conversation with Contemplify on her revolutionary translation of Brother Lawrence here.

Carmen Acevedo Butcher, PhD, is an author, teacher, poet, and award-winning translator of spiritual texts. Today Carmen and I talk about the importance of practice; chanting, lectio divina,walking meditation, poetry, drawing, and other customized pecularily particular practices. Carmen models what her practices looks, sounds, and feels like shares the impact on her life. This conversation is a reminder that in times of anguish, joy, or suffering, practices keep our heart pumping and our internal hearth fired.

Visit Carmen at carmenbutcher.com | IG: @cab_phd |

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Episode Show Notes

Works by Carmen Acevedo Butcher

Resources & People Mentioned

  • Cloud of Unknowing by Carmen Acevedo Butcher
  • James Finley
  • Caedmon’s hymn (7th c)
  • This is My Father’s World’ by Maltbie D. Babcock
  • Wild Geese’ by Mary Oliver
  • Simone Weil
  • Phyllis Tickle
  • St. Hildegard of Bingen
  • St. Benedict
  • Brother Lawrence
  • Julian of Norwich
  • Gillian Welch
  • Dave Rawlings

Drink Recommended

  • No drink recommended, just eat nourishing & sacred words

photo of Carmen pulled from carmenbutcher.com